WARning the CITY conference by CISR e.V., Berlin
EDUCATION IN EXILE

EDITED TRANSCRIPTION
26.11.2022


Speakers
  • Oleg Pacehnkov
    Organizer of the session, GSZ HU, Berlin / CISR eV, Berlin
  • Oksana Zaporozhets
    moderator, Bauhaus University, Weimar
  • Tuba Inal Cekic
    Off University
  • Philip Fedchin
    director of Gagarin center, Smolny Beyond Borders project, Bard College Berlin
  • Amanda Henson
    University of Bonn; Cologne/Bonn Academy in Exile
  • Stefan Meister
    Deutsche Gesellschaft für Auswärtige Politik, Berlin
  • Kirill Martynov
    Free University
  • Andrei Vazyanau
    European Humanitarian Unversity, ex-Minsk / Vilnius
Transcription of session
  • Oksana Zaporozhets
    I would like to start with a sentence from Edward Said, which is one of the key figures in post-colonial studies. And actually, Said, who was a scholar in exile himself, said that exile is compelling to think about, but hard to experience. So starting with this idea, I really want to point out that exile is not just an intellectual exercise for all of us. There are always people who change their countries, and this change is really painful and people are struggling with many issues in their everyday life and are solving many problems. But at the same time, these people are doing great things. They create new organizations, new academic institutions. So my first point is: it's really important to remember that there are always people staying behind these processes. So the next thing that I really want us to take into consideration is that we are talking about an academy in exile. It's easy to think that we are the first ones and to start inventing a wheel. But there were many ways of emigration, and schools for intellectuals in exiles has been moving to new countries before us. Maybe the most recent one, starting in the mid 2010s, was a Syrian forced migration, then proceeding with Turkish ones, and then Belarusian, and Ukrainian and Russian. So understanding these processes as temporal is really important for intellectuals and for us as panelists. And the last but not least thing I also would like to stress is that being just regular people, being scholars, we sometimes face institutions as if they were always there, but it's really important to remember that institutions are created by people. And I am happy that today you have people who actually create new structures, new organizations and new institutions. For me as a scholar it's a kind of mystery that these institutions are produced and we have a rare opportunity to look at them in this process, which I very much appreciate. When I moved to Germany in March myself, I really wanted to have a magic map or a magic guidance which would explain to me everything: what to do, where to apply to, or how to solve my problems. But I didn't have this magic map. However I did have my colleagues who helped me a lot and who provided me this necessary guidance, and I'm really grateful for that. And I think people we have here are not magicians; they will not provide us with magic maps. But I think these people have been working really hard for many other people to have the institutions needed, and have worked to give us some guidance in our quite stormy path to new countries. I thank you for listening to this introduction and I'm really happy to give you a floor.

  • TUBA ÇEKIÇ (Off University, Berlin)
    OK, I can start because, probably, I am from one of the first organizations that were founded in Berlin and also in Germany; so we are kind of from the first waves of intellectuals or scholars in exile. I was myself expelled from my university in Turkey, in Istanbul, and I moved to Germany in 2016, right before the coup attempt had happened in Turkey in 2016. I was luckily here for one year sabbatical and I decided not to go back because I was one of the signatories of the petition that we signed to stop the violence in the Kurdish region.The petition was already in the process of being persecuted by the police, and courts. Between 2016 and 2017 many people had been expelled, right after the coup attempt. And then we realized that among them were quite a lot of academicians, scholars at risk, who signed the same petition who came to Germany. There were around 150 people. It was based on the roots that we had with Germany due to the Turkish migration that started in the 1960s. So many people in Turkey somehow have a relative or someone that they know. And also many of us who signed that petition had PhD degrees from German Universities or kind of relations or professional networks in Germany. That was the reason why many people moved to Germany. And another context is that there were a lot of newly established fellowships and also "scholars at risk" programs in Germany. So we could get a scholarship as "scholars at risk" in 2017. So we were about 1000 signatories of the petition, but only part of us were expelled from the university, depending on the universities. It's like 500 people and many of them were expelled by an Emergency Decree, which was like a law which banned our passports. So like the ones who were not lucky like me or could come legally to Germany, they were stuck in Turkey. Their problem was that they were not able to travel and they were not able to find a job anymore because the law also said that people who were expelled by this Emergency Decree could not work with any governmental or private institution. And it's still the case. So whenever you enter my I.D. number in Turkey, they see that I have a relation with a terrorist organization. Which, of course, is not the case, but by coincidence is that I was born in the East region of Turkey [Kurdish region], and that's how I am probably related to this kind of organization – just because I signed the petition. So I am still not able to find a job there. Thus, imagine that you were 400 people, 400 scholars who were not able to reach their students, were not able to find a job and not be able to teach or also do research. So our idea was, well, people stuck in the country without any job. So we decided that, yes, there is on-line! And if the government turns the university off, then we can make it on-line. So it was kind of hijacking the system. And then we founded an on-line platform. And of course, we were looking for a name. So, OFF was the name that we found... Because we were kept off the universities, and the one we made was off the campus, off the mainstream. And many of us also had the ideal of this more democratic, more inclusive and also horizontal way of teaching and also doing research. After giving the name to OFF University, then we could bring up and realize the long awaited ideal of what we had not as a university, but as a platform (https://off-university.com/). So instead of me explaining what we have done, I want to show you a short video of OFF university
  • Andrei Vazyanau
    Okay, so before I start talking about Belarus , I would like to position myself. I haven't grown up in Belarus. I grew up in the city of Mariupol, Ukraine, and most of my extended family lived there till the beginning of this year. After Ukraine, I studied in Russia and then in Germany. But the country of my citizenship is Belarus, because I'm from mixed families, so my origin allowed me to choose and I chose kind of a neutral passport, which used to remain till this year. But now I'm teaching at the European Humanities University in Vilnius, Lithuania, which is a Belarusian university in exile since 2003 (https://en.ehu.lt/).

    I think the Belarusian case is really different from Russian and Turkish education in exile, and any other cases. Not in terms of a degree or quantity of repressions against scholars, but because in the Belarusian case it's not Belarusian domestic education that is competing with Belarusian education in exile. In the case of Belarus it is Belarusian (language) education in exile competing with Russian education on a territory of Belarus. Because now Belarus is not only a country with an authoritarian regime, but also its sovereignty is endangered. Since 2020 Alexander Lukashenko has been seizing power illegally and he's Kremlin backed. It is acknowledged by all analysts, and it is a consensus both within Belarusian society and among scholars. But the dominance of Russian language actually has been characteristic for the Belarusian regime long before 2020. And if we look at the figures [refers to slides], then we can see a strong disproportion between how often something is taught in Belarusian language and how often people would indicate Belarusian as their mother tongue. If you look at surveys where people would disclose their preferences, you would also see a discrepancy between how often people speak Belarusian and how often would they want to speak it. Usually they would want to speak it much more often.

    Belarusian language was stigmatized and marginalized in two ways. One has its roots in Soviet rule yet, it is an image of Belarusian as a language of the countryside and political opposition. If you are speaking in Belarusian, you are often considered to be an illiterate village inhabitant. And this situation is reproduced within the education system – people are not educated in Belarusian language. Second thing; Alexander Lukashenko first came to power in 1994, and since that time Belarusian language started to be associated with political opposition. And there is still a strong association of Belarusian-speaking people with pro-European, democratic values. This language is also often used by different oppressed communities and marginalized groups, like queer feminist groups, NGOs, civil society and ecological activists, intelligencia. People teaching humanities and social sciences would much more often use Belarusian language. But then they would be at risk on the territory of Belarus.

    Here are just some numbers about the scale of repression [refers to slides]. So if we look at the periods of time since the start of 2020, there are two countries in Europe that outnumber all other European countries by number and percentage of departures of the citizens of these countries to European countries: these are Belarus and Ukraine. In Belarus, within to last year, more than 6% of the population has left the country and some people say, it's even higher. We can also see that only a smaller part of people who left Belarus chose to move to Russia in 2020 and later. Now in Ukraine the rate of emigration or refugees is even higher. And you have to add the IDPS (Internally displaced people). But these two countries are at the top of the list. I'm associating myself with both countries to an equal extent.

    In comparison to any neighboring country, including Russia, in Belarus, there are many specific forms of repressions that are absent in other countries that border to Belarus. First of all, it is a death penalty. You also can be deprived of citizenship. And I was impressed by details that you [Tuba] shared, that there is some kind of similar practice [in Turkey] as well. One thing that I already mentioned is persecution of Belarusian speaking population. Since 2020 belarusia-fones are losing their jobs systematically. And also, during the protests, arrested people when speaking Belarusian would be dyed with a color, so that a policeman would bit them harsher, more severe. They would usually dye them with the yellow color. We don't know why yellow. Another specific feature of mass repressions in Belarus is that they are targeting certain professional communities quite often. Professors and students are just two from a longer list of professional communities that are squeezed out of the country. Especially medical workers, for instance, are victims of this process, so by now, it's very hard to find qualified surgical help through, traumotologists, for instance, as their communities have been squeezed out of the country. So ideally, you go to look for high quality medical help outside the country, which you can not do easily holding a Belarusian passport. Now, because of visa restrictions, it is much more difficult for Belarusians to obtain a visa than for Russian citizens. Not because of European regulations, but because of the fact that Belarus is much smaller country. It's a country of less than 9 million people, and there are less workers at consulates and embassies. So people, for instance, have to travel to Moscow in order to apply for EU visa; which means four nights at a bus. <...>

    What happens to Belarusian education in these circumstances? Actually the story of Belarusian education in exile started much earlier, because Belarus has never been a democratic country in this century. Several activities have been concentrated in Lithuania, where I live now, and this is interesting why there is such a tradition of Belarus and education in Lithuania and not in other neighboring countries. All other neighboring countries, except Latvia, are much larger than Belarus. So usually when Belarusians move there, they are expected to assimilate completely, which they quite often did. Thus Belarusian diasporas are very recent phenomena. Most of them appeared two years ago due to the protests. And in most EU countries Belarusian communities emerged during the 2020s. Lithuania is a different case because Vilnius is an ethnically mixed region and it used to be predominantly Belarusian speaking 100 years ago. Now it's part of Lithuania and Vilnius is the capital of Lithuania. But still there is a Belarusian minority which is free to use their language of education and can choose Belarusian if they want. This is a policy also at European Humanities University that has been expelled from Minsk in 2001.

    Belarusian education is displaced from the country itself. It has to be developed elsewhere. And Lithuania is quite often the country of choice for those relocants or refugees, emigrants who don't want to break their relation to Belarus. People say quite often: "Leaving to Vilnius is a way to leave without leaving [Belarus]". At EHU we have 415 students from Belarus this year, but we are also now accepting increasing amount of students from Ukraine and from Russia. The website of EHU is very easy to find: https://en.ehu.lt/. It's a private university in Lithuania by now. We are facing some challenges this year; this there are new challenges, I think I will mention them during the second round. Thank you.

  • PHILIP FEDCHIN (Smolny Beyond Borders, Bard College Berlin)
    I'm presenting a much smaller initiative compared to what the colleagues just presented. And we just started two months ago. It's a small initiative with literally five people involved at the moment. Behind them are dozens of former faculty of Smolny College, which was the former title of Faculty of Liberal Arts and Sciences of Saint-Petersburg State University.

    Andrei was just mentioning the specificity of EHU. We are also a specific institution actually, which refers to the definition of the university as a refuge. We established a liberal arts educational model, which was new for Russia, and we have been specifically targeted by the authorities nowadays. But we've always been, in a sense, experimental, innovative, new. We obviously thought differently. This was an attempt to reform Russian higher education from within, from one of the major institutions – by trying to establish a university liberal arts college. Obviously, the attempt failed, but nonetheless, I think our major achievement was symbolic: there is such a notion as a Faculty of Liberal Arts and Sciences in Russian education. Doesn't matter that the institution has been almost closed soon, or the title is being deleted. You know, you cannot really get rid of the idea after it has appeared. So this is one thing to be mentioned.

    And talking about our more general discussion - university in exile. I am working mostly not just for BCB proper but for a network of higher education institutions building an on-line learning environment for a network of institutions. There are more than 20 plus institutions in this network, and among them - in the handouts [given to the audience in paper] there are examples of, again in quotes "exile universities' '. And the eldest among them are probably EHU and CEU. These are the two examples. EHU Andrei mentioned, and CEU, as you know, was forced to move from Budapest to Vienna. But there are two other examples: Parami University from Myanmar (https://www.parami.edu.mm/) which now actually is run as an on-line institution from Washington DC. There is, obviously, also another wave of migrants to Berlin and to other places, Afghan students and scholars. So there is American University in Afghanistan (https://auaf.edu.af/), also another partner in OSUN network and another institution in exile. So I think it's very important to present this more general perspective that there are a lot of cases.

    We are all specific and unique in the sense. And a case, like with EHU, there are issues related with the language, for example. When we had a preliminary discussion preparing for this panel, we discussed a question, whether we should develop universities in exile or should we just incorporate ourselves into the new country and new situation? I actually think that it is too harsh a distinction. Any institution, any university, as I said, is a refuge for scholars and for students. We do have an expertise, a local regional expertise, but nonetheless, you cannot develop the institution outside of the society where you are. If we are in Berlin, we are building a Berlin institution. We need to be a part of the infrastructure of the city and the country that provides a shelter for university.

    But it doesn't mean that we somehow reject our legacy. Be it Smolny college, be it EHU, or the Off University in other regional contexts, it is important in each case to talk about the legacy as an institution. Smolny was a liberal arts college and a part of the Open Society network. I recall my own visit to Minsk, actually when Lukashenko closed down EHU and we accepted 40 students from it to Smolny in this transitional period, when EHU wasn't able to reestablish the educational process immediately in Vilnius. So that was a transition, and during it Smolny helped, and I think this is a very important part of the whole process. And I don't believe it's the last time when we are experiencing what we are experiencing now. So we need to build institutional processes to help when something like this is happening in any part of the world, and our colleagues need help.

    With EHU initially it was the time before on-line learning. But EHU, as I understand, developed afterwards the on-line learning program and right now heavily relies on it to reach the students in Belarus. This is very important. But still in their case it was much more physical move of the institution than what is taking place now. With Smolny Beyond Borders we just quickly created a website, relying on the pre existing infrastructure of OSUN. Obviously, on-line learning options are very important now, and our colleagues from Off University or Free University have created an impressive large projects whereas we have just started with few people. However we do have our own advantage: we are closely related with another institution – Bard college, and we are able to rely on expertise and infrastructure of Bard.

    Being a rather small institution Bard College Berlin has already a lot of experience working with few previous waves of student - migrants. There was a group of Syrian students, then the students from Afghanistan, and now students from Ukrainian. Next year there will be also students from Russia and Belorussia - those who received Eurasian Emergency Refuge Student scholarships from Bard College to study in BCB or Annandale or at Bard College at Simon's Rock, Massachusetts. So the point is that in our case there is already an institutional help and institutional commitment to support our student and scholarly community. I know about couple of other attempts from our colleagues from other liberal institutions like "Shaninka", and they are also trying to establish a liberal arts program in Montenegro. But for them the difficulty is that there is no partner like Bard, and they need to resolve the issues of license and accreditation of their new initiative first, before starting something substantial.
  • AMANDA HENSON (Cologne - Bonn Academy in Exile)
    Maybe I'll just start by saying that I think I'm coming from a very different perspective. I'm a willing immigrant from the United States. And I came to Germany for my studies. And so I just want to say I very much admire the initiatives that you all are taking. And so now I'm working at the University of Bonn for a vice rector for International affairs. And in the summer of this year, the universities of Cologne and Bonn came together to create the Cologne -Bonn Academy in Exile (https://www.cologne-bonn-academy-in-exile.de/en ). It was Professor Martin Aust and Professor Angelika Nußberger who were already working together on a book on Eastern Europe between the Fall of the Wall and the war in Ukraine (in German). Then the war broke out and they came together and said, okay, what can we do? So they came to meet the rectorates of both universities and asked if they could create this academy, and it was eventually approved. And so the official starting date was on June 13th , 2022. The idea was to support researchers who had to flee Ukraine due to the war. But also, what has been kind of controversial from a German perspective … We also want to help researchers from Russia and Belarus who've had to flee due to their opposition to the war and to the regimes in their countries. And so the idea of the academy in exile is, of course, to obviously preserve national ties, you know, while in exile. But also that they bring kind of their expertise on regional topics and can come to our universities to continue to explore these regional specific topics and to contribute to the current and future European integration. And this is in the fields of the humanities, law, Slavic studies, cultural studies, political and social sciences, history, etc. And the whole idea behind this was that through the acceptance of these researchers and an integration of them into the German academic community, through these research fields looking to the past and the present – we could understand how we got to this point, and what we need to do in order to create perspective for the future. And of course, we can't even begin to talk about the reconciliation at this point, but kind of too, perhaps, in the future. We wanted to understand the situation and to create perspectives.


    So we have places for 20 junior or senior researchers and professors. And these researchers will be supported by mentors that have expertise in their relative fields. And unfortunately, funding is, of course, a big issue. We have no direct funding as of right now. But the goal is to give support in applications for funding from our universities. I don't know if anyone has ever had to do an application for a third party funding in Germany, but it is not easy, it's very complicated. And so we planned to support them in that process. And of course, the researchers are not required to come with their own funding. We seek to help them in finding it. Although some have been accepted into the academy, who already do have funding. And the goal is also to provide office space as well, as I said, administrative and integrative support. And I think a big goal that we haven't achieved yet, but we are keeping it in the back of our mind, is to cooperate in on-line and off-line projects with Ukrainian researchers abroad and with Ukrainian universities.

    I can say, this project is obviously very new and we're learning by doing, learning as we go. So we had our first call for applications on the June 15th of this year, and we received 116 inquiries by the 15th of August. We received 72 applications for acceptance into the Academy, of which 34 were formally valid, so only 34 could actually be considered. And we had two selection rounds. The first had 22 candidates: 13 from Ukraine, 5 from Russia and 4 from the Belarus. And then we had a second selection round. And now the final decision is that we will accept 11 candidates: 6 from Ukraine, 3 from Russia, 2 from Belarus. They're in the fields of history, one in sociology, one in Slavic studies, two in law, one in economy, one in political science, and one in cultural studies. And as I said, funding has been a big issue and maybe I can get into that in the second round. But as of right now, some of the candidates who have already been accepted are coming in with the funding from the Alfred Landecker Stiftung. Its foundation concentrated on the understanding of Holocaust and its impacts today and particularly in Eastern Europe, and on work against anti-Semitism and racism. We've also applied for funding from the DAAD, the funding like OSt-West Dialog. It used to include Russia and Belarus. Obviously that's not the case as of right now. So now it focuses on funding conferences, exchange, travels between... particularly Ukraine, but also the countries in the Caucasus, like Georgia. And we hope to get a positive response to that application, we have yet to hear. And then there's also the initiative from the European Union, which is the Marie Curie Actions. And they already exist for international funding for research projects, but they just added a funding model that is just for Ukraine. And the University of Cologne has applied for funding to allow these researchers to be able to live and do their work with the financial backing. Because it's very easy for us to say, okay, come and we can support you. But without the money, it's very difficult to get very far.


  • KIRILL MARTYNOV
    I don't have presentation, but I will show our website too (https://freemoscow.university/). So we are a Free Universities. When we started, we called ourselves the Free University Moscow, but for now no one wants to be from Moscow any more. But I still like it because it was created in there, in some district of Moscow. It has the reference to the Free University of Berlin, of course. It was in the middle of the coronavirus crisis when several people were fired from the Higher School of Economics, the very well known university in Russia, in Moscow. I was one of this group. And for me, it was a kind of personal drama, because I was a philosophy teacher for the whole of my life. And I started to thinking, well, my life is over. And so the idea was, well, just because we can teach via Zoom, it was an obvious question: why we can not do the same without any help from the state, from government or from administration of our School of Economics!? And we just used those headliners – former professors from Higher School of Economics – who decided to open Free University. For some reason, no one did that before in Russia, at least in the recent years. And so we had a fully grassroots project. We had 19 people at the beginning. We have almost 200 teachers right now. We basically called for help and solidarity for any single person who was fired from official universities across country and around it. And we already have quite a bright team, a lot of very well known people. Probably the best example is our Media School, which is a year long program. We have like 30 teachers there and most of them are "foreign agents" in Russia, which means they are professional journalists. I'm not sure what kind of people are learning [at this program]. Basically, what they will do after, you know, after this Media School. Maybe they just become a new foreign agents just in several years. Let's see.

    All our courses are free. And that means that we were volunteers for most of this time. We try to find some money. Well, the crucial moment in our history was obviously a war. I'm proud that after the very beginning of the war, we made a common decision to raise a voice against it. And I think we were the only big academic institution, though informal, in Russia, which did it, like the whole institution. So it was our students, our teachers, people who were elected to our academic council. All of us said: we don't need this war, we are against it, we will fight against it. And we lost only one teacher after this decision. So I think we have a good team, because we lost only one person... From Israel, actually, who said: "Well, I'm not sure if I can be at such a risk". I'm not sure, why are you at risk in Israel if you are against the Russian war in Ukraine. But, OK. And at this point, we had realized that we can be quite an important institution. We were small, but for now it's much more important that our mission is to link Russian academic, Russian anti-war academic groups with Western colleagues. First of all, I worry a lot about our students, because I understand... When I was a professor at a Higher School of Economics, I understood that we still have hundreds, maybe thousands of brilliant young people who just don't understand what to do, how to live in this country, or how to survive in this situation. And we provide free courses for them. We find some money in Europe. We send this money to those teachers who were fired and don't have any way to pay their bills. And in the spring we also became a kind of human rights defenders organization, because we organized several waves of evacuation of people, and helped them to settle in Europe. Right now we are trying to find more partners across normal European universities to make some common projects and to make steps to become an official university. Mostly Russian speaking, just because a lot of people need this education in Russian, and you can't learn, for example, Russian media or Russian law in any other language. So this is our idea.

    You know, we don't have someone who... established us. It was us, just a grass-root initiative, like I said. And in January 2023 we will have a next conference of the teachers and new people will be elected in all of our consuls. And it is probably the hardest question, how to keep all this bureaucracy when you have about two hundred people, a lot of ... conflicts and talks, like "please, put it in our official paper, I was always against this decision". Well, it was interesting, interesting for two and a half years. So that is. Thank you.
  • OKSANA ZAPOROZHETS
    Thank you so much. So the idea is to switch to discussion about challenges. But before that, I would like to just say thanks to all speakers. And I think the question that was brought into discussion is also very important, that in creating your organization and new institution, it's not only about the intention of a group of people, it's always about negotiations, about alliances, about finding partner institutions or looking for funding. So it's a very complex process. And thank you, dear colleagues, for bringing it onto the table. These are really important issues, licensing, fund-raising and stuff like that. So it's our life and this is the environment we actually live in. And now not back to challenges. Tuba, would you start?
  • TUBA ÇEKIÇ
    As for talking about the challenges, maybe we should first mention the opportunities that we have seen. So in that year 2016-17 people were stuck in their country and the were not a lot of funding schemes and funding organizations that wanted to fund that and pay money... So we were a kind of an institution, but not like PSI (Philip Schwarz Initiative) or as now many other initiatives could do. We were able as an organization to send money to Turkey. So it was kind of a very niche activity that nobody could do , and Off University did it; it was a good idea at that time. And what was also important: nobody mentioned it, but this was kind of in the back of the brain of everyone that we keep people in the country [i.e. in Turkey, not bringing them to Germany]. Well, we had a Constitutional Court decision that it [the repressive Decree of Turkish government against signatories of Petition] was the violation of human rights and freedom of speech. Accordingly, the travel ban was released and many people began to travel. And people started coming here and getting, for example, Philip Schwarz Initiative scholarships. And now many of them are still here. And, you know, that German academic market isn't really welcoming, unfortunately, also for Germans, not only for Turks. Initially the eligibility criteria to teach at OFF University was being stuck in the country and also not being able to find a job due to the persecution, and being in need of economic financing. So we were getting the funds from public funds and transferred them to Turkey.. So t one of the biggest challenges now, there are a lot of cuts in the funding. Many foundations are not supporting any more, especially people from Turkey. And also the position in the political context has been changed. People are able to travel and some of them find jobs in private markets, not governmental institutions. Then we shifted our focus to other regions, because we saw that it's not just us [who need it - OP being exiled after the Second World War; but there are many other people coming. Scholars from Ukraine, Belarus and also Russia. People are coming and there is not gonna be the end of it. So we shifted our focus.

    As I said, we are not an institution, we are just an organization. And still much of the work and labor is done voluntarily. We find money to pay lecturers and scholars to do the research. But organizing all these things is still very much based on a voluntary job, because there is no foundation that pays for all these. Also many scholars who are putting voluntary labor are also themselves at risk. And also they are challenged to find another job or try to write their application for the next round of finding money, or securing their position as well. So this is kind of part of the challenge. The idea of the Off University was not a business idea, it has always been based on public funding. Since the beginning we decided that we will not get money from the members and also the education should be free for the students. So we do not have enough money to sustain ourselves. So just being really stuck in this... trying to get funding which would allow us to pay for overhead and would allow paying to the people who are putting their volunteer labor into it, this is our biggest challenge. And also shifting our focus to other regions and other geographies as well. Because the core group of the Off University was brought from Turkey. Also there were scholars from Germany, but they had some migration routes in Turkey. So the language and also the communication and also evaluating a course that was proposed to Off University – it is not always possible for others. So we are trying to extend our network with new people who want to put their volunteer labor to help us to expand our network. Now, we have collaboration with AKNO, an academic network of Europe. We now have two courses that are taught by Belarusian and Ukrainian scholars. And there are like 35 lecturers from these two countries, no, three countries – also Russians. And so we paid them for just that course. So this is also kind of an extension of the network, but we are still moving on.


  • ANDREI VAZYANAU
    Is there statistics available: which percentage of students and users of the Off University are situated in Turkey?
  • TUBA ÇEKIÇ
    Good question, because I did not address one of the basic or essential issues for the Off University. When we found it, the lecturers were labeled as terrorists. So our students would take courses from the so-called "terrorists". So we made the platform which is fully anonymous. So the idea was that we do not track anyone. And also it's especially prepared no to track where students come from. We have statistics, but not for students, because each and every class is followed by an on-line learning designer who is paid by us. So they know who the students are. But for us they stay anonymous and we don't know their real names. So we don't know exactly. but the percentage of students who wanted to support the lecturers from Turkey was very high in the beginning. But now, since the courses are hosted in German universities, we also have German students or... students of Humboldt University, for instance, who are also taking that. But for the on-line students – we don't know.
  • Andrei Vazyanau
    I can continue, and tell you about the new additional challenges that Belarusian students and scholars are facing. Since the beginning of this year, one thing I mentioned already is about visas. I can just give an example. In October 2022 the Congress of Belarusian Studies took place in Lithuania. It has always been held out of Belarus. So most of the scholars residing in Belarus could not come because they did not obtain the visas. So at the Congress of Belarusian research in a neighboring country, almost no people residing in Belarus participated. Even those who applied for visas, and this is risky actually, to apply for such a visa in Belarus [and they took that risk - OP], but they did not obtain visa in term. So this is one group of challenges connected to visas.

    Another thing is that Belarusian economics is still very much impacted by sanctions, much more than Russian one. And we now are at the point where education in Lithuania will be unfordable for most of our target audience, for most Belarusian families where children want to study at Lithuanian university.

    And then there is a specific challenge. Actually, this is a situation of worsening conditions for liberal education in Russia. It actually us... Each year, for instance, we now get more applications from Russia. And HEU does not discriminate on nationality basis. Which means we are accepting those students. But from a practical position, as I'm teaching in a group of 30 people, if there was one Russian speaking, that would mean I have to teach in Russian or in English [as Russians do not speak neither Belarusian nor Ukrainian – OP], even though all other people would be fine both with Ukrainian or Belarusian which are interchangeable. So with Ukrainian students we don't have any language barrier if I was teaching Belarusian to them. I can do both. And Belarusians also have no problem understanding Ukrainian. So this situation means for many students losing the feeling of a safe space, the only safe space inside the university, where you can speak Belarusian and do education in this language.

    And this is a part of a larger problem, so to say, as most funding opportunities inscribe Russians and Belarusians in one group, which is exactly the opposite of what most Belarusian students would want. And in Belarusian science or... Belarusian scholars quite often work together with activists. Most of us are combining several positions. So these are problems which we face both at university but also at NGO. Wherever you now see some call for applications... Earlier it would be Eastern Partnership countries, which was used as a space for decolonization and where talks about decolonization were possible. Now it's usually either Belarus and Russia or it's an Eastern Partnership plus Russia, which is quite contradicting to the very idea of Eastern Partnership and to its values. So we are now at the point where we have not found solutions yet. Quite often Belarusian participants have to reject offers with the project because they are treated on an equal basis with those who they consider a colonizer. And that's a tricky moment because here we see that consensus within Belarus is very different from the image projected from outside. And even my Ukrainian colleagues are very often struggling with the same. When European institutions involves the trilateral format of collaboration, for instance, for three countries of which every two have a right to collaborate with other countries independently from each other. Otherwise, the decolonization project will not succeed in the region. So now everyone is saying this word, it turned into a buzzword, "decolonization". But this is something very practically connected to the situation of both institutions where I am acting, for instance.


  • Amanda Henson
    Just a small question, to understand it better! The problems you just named, mainly happen because of the lack of sensibility of institutions that are funding you?
  • Andrei Vazyanau
    To a great extent , I would say so. Inside each of them there is an understanding that this is a project for smaller countries, for those who want to somehow decolonize their cultures and preserve their smaller cultural spaces. But then quite often we would receive an offer from some institution or some foundation to make our workshop, for instance, for independent Russian journalists. And then we would answer: OK, we are a Belarusian institution in exile, we can not only do it for Russian journalists! Also, we are in Lithuania, where it is a very sensitive issue to organize something for Russian citizens exclusively. And then they would say, OK, you can also invite someone from Belarus and Ukraine... who would not come, especially now. So there is a lack of understanding among the supporting institutions, that Eastern Partnership as a cultural idea... is quite difficult to be combined with larger formats.

    I'm not only thinking about the Russian Federation in this regard. Sometimes we're just balancing between two large countries, which in Belarusian case is an eternal cycle: between Poland and Russia, Poland and Russia all the time. But now the configuration is very different. Political configuration. Poland is a part of the EU, although not sticking to some of its principles, but it's a very different story too. For now, these two stories are different and are perceived differently. But the damage done to Belarusian journalism, I think one of its effects is that the image of how Belarusians see themselves now and how Europe or the world see them – are too completely different images.


  • PHILIP FEDCHIN
    Well, about challenges. I was talking a little bit about out particular context. The problem we experience is, first of all, that we are in exile, but at the same time, the institution and people, students, first of all, are still there, in Russia. And so it's an ongoing fight of the students with the administration of the university [Smolny college students are struggling with the administration of St.-Petersburg State University – OP; see for example: https://www.groza.media/posts/smolnyj]. Obviously it's a very difficult situation. And we do not want to make the situation worse. But at the same time, we do want to have a different voice and, therefore, we want to save the image of the institution as we understand it.

    And again, this initiative, of course, is really an initiative of the group of faculty. What we provide, basically, is the infrastructure behind it – as an emergency support scheme for the faculty. So there are people [teachers of the Smolny Beyond Borders project - OP] already receiving some kind of fellowships and scholarships. We have people in Istanbul, in Paris, Princeton, and Helsinki. There are people in other places as well, obviously. And there are problems and issues related, of course, with the visa, employment status, and so on.

    The challenge is how do you build the community. Our project right now is an on-line one. And as soon as we are at Bard College Berlin we need to be sensitive also to the language issues, just voiced by Andrei. So the language of instruction at BCB is English. But we realized that if we want to reach a broader audience we need to keep some courses taught in Russian (our mini courses are primarily in Russian with one exception, whereas our semester courses are mostly in English. Russian Language instruction is the approach of a Free University, as I understand. It creates opportunities but also creates limitations. So even within Smolny college as it existed in St.Petersburg a primary language of instruction was Russian, but we did have up to a quarter of courses in English. And now what we are building and trying to create is a fully international content with English as a language of instruction first of all. So we re-imagining the institution. So it means that, of course, when you are in exile it's not what it was before, obviously.


  • Andrei Vazyanau
    May I ask a short question and probably, Kirill , you also can answer: are there students who are coming from Russia but from ethnic minorities?
  • KIRILL MARTYNOV
    We have had more than five thousands of students in these two years and a half. This is mostly because we are quite cheap, we don't need a building or payment for travel costs. And so it's a good field for some experiments. And obviously we have people from different parts of Russia and not only Russia. People from Tatarstan are well represented. Some people are from different places in the North Caucasus or Far East. And one of our co-founders, Hasan Huseynov, he's a linguist and he's involved in this idea of creating a kind of decolonial department. It's a project. So that means that we need help to survive minor languages in Russian because obviously for me it's quite obvious that the landscape of this... totality of Russian language in the country, it's totally fake. It's not for real, it's just the political habits of the empire, lets' say. So, yes, we are deeply interested in it.
  • PHILIP FEDCHIN
    We had three monthly courses and we realized that the audience is basically the Russian speaking one, and mostly from Russia, although we have some applicants from Ukraine and from Belarus, not many, though. And it should be noted: we do not track people, it is just a motivation letter that was a background for attributing that these people are in Ukraine/Russia/Belarus, or in other countries. In any case the group is very diverse. We got three courses and from 140 to 270 applicants for one course with 25+ places. So we were very glad there was a strong interest. So those three courses were devoted to the issues related with the current war. It was an offer from the faculty members. In the Spring semester we will have fully fledged semester credit bearing courses and English will be a primary language of instruction with few exceptions - for example, a course on trauma narrative in Russian literature - this is in Russian, obviously. But the principle as such is English as a primary language. Well, OK, we're trying to be sensitive.
  • Amanda Henson
    Yeah, please excuse me or cut me off if I talk too long. Because for me, this is the most interesting part of the discussion, because I really would like to hear your thoughts on these challenges. All three of you have already brought up things that we found too... Funding, of course, is a huge issue, you mentioned that. But we're lucky in the sense that we're... already have the overhead, in a sense that this academy is run by employees of the university. Now, we're a very small team. My colleague from the University of Cologne is also here. And so we're a very small team, but at least we have the ability to fund work positions or to work to assist in providing the third party funding to our candidates.

    And then I found it interesting what Andre was saying as well. Because I'll just start with an example. It was interesting to hear what you were saying about the inability to even get a visa to leave the country, because we had an applicant and she was then accepted – from Belarus. And now she's still in Belarus. So now I'm thinking, okay, how is that going to work? And I think the idea kind of got away from us a little bit , because the idea was an academy in exile. And I think the idea behind that was that [we are working with] people who have already left the country and we want to give them a place. Especially as the war in Ukraine started. But then Deutsche Welle did a piece on our opening in Russian at least, maybe also in Ukrainian. And that also got picked up by the Russian website "Nasha niva". So we then ended up getting inquiries and applications from people inside Russia and Belarus. Which I think definitely complicates things for us, because we don't necessarily have the means to support them and assist them in this huge change and decision that they might be making. And so it is very helpful to kind of know what you were saying , Andrei, about the situation on the ground there.

    And then also just generally... What are the selection criteria for our candidates? We tried to establish clear guidelines from the beginning. But then the situation... After interviewing particular candidates you can see that that's not so easy. For example, originally the priority was supposed to be excellence, like [we accept] the very best, brightest. But then of course, came the idea of risk status. As we had an applicant who ... just two or three weeks before her interview she had lost her... she was Ukrainian, she had lost her husband in the war. Then you have, um [another one]. We had an interview on the day of this... recent drone attack, I think in Kiev and around there, three weeks ago. And so she... on that day as the strikes happened in the morning, she is with her son ...in a city right outside of Cologne... The bombing was happening and she hadn't heard from her husband... and she did this interview. And then you have an applicant from... a Russian, who has been in Iceland for three years. So how are you supposed to... how are you supposed to evaluate these three people on the same level? How can you expect someone who has just, you know, lost her husband in the war today, you know, to give a wonderful research proposal and an interview? So those are kind of some really difficult things that came to us unexpectedly. I mean, of course, it's to be expected, but we didn't really... we're not aware exactly of it.
  • Amanda Henson
    I wanted to also add, I think, that it has already turned out to be controversial, that the idea of this academy to take Russian and Belarusian scholars as well. There were a lot of... There was kind of push back in the higher levels of the universities, and also from the student organizations. Of... if this is right, when we consider that the war is in Ukraine. But it was really important that we wanted to kind of... I mean, it's not necessarily about bringing people together for reconciliation, but it's about bringing people together to understand and to create perspectives for the future. The question is, how do you ... how will the cooperation and collaboration between these three nationalities in reality look like? Of course, they haven't been together yet. We're having our first conference in January. But what would that look like? For example, we had an applicant for a position to support at the academy, and she came to the interview, but then she made it very clear that she would not work with Russians, which is understandable. But we cannot hire someone when that's the part of a job [to work with Russians - OP]. And so it's just a kind of thing like that.


    And to maybe come back to a point that I forgot. I think it's also interesting, the topic of language. Because especially in a German context and a German academic university context, there's no way that these scholars are really going to be able to do work in their native languages per se. And that was actually a criteria in the selection process that the candidates have to be able to speak English or German well enough to integrate and assimilate into the academic landscape. And I'll try, just wrap up quickly. But another big knock for me is... the idea was also to create a network with Ukrainian civil society institutions and with Ukrainian universities. And I think that's really important because I don't know if anyone is maybe aware, but the Falling Walls conference that took place two weeks ago kind of addressed this issue. It's also important that we support research institutions and researchers in Ukraine, as, for example, the men can't leave [Ukraine]. And that the academic system is also loose in Ukraine, is also losing a lot of its researchers to the private sector, because that's where the money is. And I just think that that's also an element that for the academy would be important. And that was also a part of the original idea. The question is, how do we even... We don't even know where to start in creating those contacts and finding that network. So yeah, that was a lot. But I'd be really interested to hear what everyone might think.


  • KIRILL MARTYNOV
    Well, I think the challenge for us right now is that we think we can be cut out of our students in the country. For example, even if it would be too dangerous to provide courses for them. For example, we will be declared "undesirable organization" or if we will face a new level of digital censorship at which all normals tools to teach will be prohibited, and so on. And for now, we don't have a "Plan B". We know, we will never face the situation in which we can relocate all the students from Russia. So, we are still very much dependent on the situation inside the country. And like always, our colleagues, mostly journalists from Belarus said, well, you know, we already know what will happen next in Moscow because it was happening in Minsk two years ago. Like, they are people from the future. And in this situation, it would be even dangerous to continue to teach students inside the country.
  • Oksana Zaporozhets
    Thank you everyone! And all the questions you have – its just time to ask them!
  • QUESTIONS FROM AUDIENCE (unknown)
    I have a question for all speakers considering the language of instruction, English. I think it's a kind of privilege to know English at a level of academic research. And do you think it's an issue of your institutions to kind of provide free courses to make it more accessible for different audiences to join the English courses? Or you see it as a question of collaboration with other institutes, or how you see this?
  • TUBA ÇEKIÇ
    At OFF University we started with providing all information in three languages, Turkish, English and German. And then we were quite open to both the Turkish and Arabic language, of course. But then the problem comes with who is going to host the course. Because we want our courses to be accredited by Germany university. And then to teach the course [in Turkish] for locals would be a problem. But we have some Turkish... I don't remember the name of the departments... Linguistic Departments, generally, were very open to host our courses, so we had Turkish courses. And also now two courses are taught in Lithuanian and Russian. So we are quite open. But then the challenge comes with the host university, so we need to find a solution. So far Humboldt University was ready to host Russian and Ukrainian language courses, but we still have to find out...
  • Andrei Vazyanau
    For us it is not an issue just because the level of English knowledge among Belarusian students is low. Also due to the fact that the main flow of Belarusian migrants was to the Eastern part of the European Union where you expect to speak languages other than English. So many students would rather speak Polish than English. And at EHU there are courses in English, and this is an obligatory part of the program, but there are also courses by choice in Belarusian and Ukrainian languages.
  • QUESTIONS FROM AUDIENCE (Matthias Bernt)
    I have a question for Tuba. I wonder if you could talk about the experience with getting courses accredited by German universities, specifically... I have two questions. I mean, first is how the process goes, you know, in German universities... it can take years till you provide [all documents] according to what they perceive as their standards. And the second question, it really might be silly, but you said that the students at Off University are anonymous, so I wonder how do those students get credits to confirm their qualification?
  • TUBA ÇEKIÇ
    Okay, so maybe I start with the second question, which is easier to answer – the anonymity. They would just go to the platform with an anonymous e-mail address that doesn't have to exist, actually. And they register to the platform and all e-mails go to that platform. So it's also the platform has a messaging system, so that teacher or the lecturer can also send messages to the student and students also do the same. And when it comes to certification, they have an account which is not traceable. And we have an OFF University phone number then based on their name. And the on-line learning designer of the course match the name, and we delete all the information after the certificate is sent physically by post.

    And for the first question, it was very tricky. So it's really just hijacked the university from the back door, I would say. It started with the first course at Potsdam University. And we have people there, we call them "agents", but not real agents,of course. There have been our agents in the university. We are a kind of a network, so there was that person to whom we networked already. The university accepts the course to be taught at Off University not in the main curriculum, but like an elective course or seminar course, and the teacher's contract is paid by a third party. And then with the first case of Potsdam University we went to the next university and said: "we did it at Potsdam University, so it is possible!" Then we went to Humboldt University, with all these agents – those people we had there. So the certificate is only signed by the lecturer who is an agent at that university, I would say.


  • QUESTIONS FROM AUDIENCE (Matthias Bernt)
    Do the students then get a certificate for the courses or can they do a full study, like a bachelor?
  • TUBA ÇEKIÇ
    No, no, then you need some institution, I guess. So only the individual courses. Then they get ECTS credits and then go with them to their home university and provide them, and they are accepted so far.
  • Amada Henson
    Is there something like a semester abroad or like when you take courses abroad?
  • TUBA ÇEKIÇ
    We also had some Erasmus students, and yeah, they can also get classes – Erasmus students from all around the world. And also they can even find some course which is taught in their native language. So it's quite easy for them, and we also have many European students. And since the course is hosted by a German university, it seems like it's a Humboldt University course or another university course, and there can be some participants from outside. And then for those who are on-line participants, we prepare certificates. So generally Humboldt University gives a certificate, but for the on-line students the certificate is signed by that "agent" at university or by an International relations department. So someone from the university signs and also from Off University - usually, I or someone else from the board - signs. And then it's like it's written "This course is given by this lecturer", and number of ECTS is written.
  • Oksana Zaporozhets
    Dear colleagues, I'm really sorry to intervene, but even the coolest things in the world have their ends. It was a pleasure!